Yeah thanks for answering, im also in the camp of understanding the truths underpinning the steel man argument behind the original phrase but not seeing a widespread clear path towards a better future with the proposed solution. What's the solution for class conflict? The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. How do you handle technological innovation? How would you defend against other nations attempting to invade and steal your stuff? Would the weapons worker coop take the hospital builders materials to produce weapons?
I really dont think it nets a higher standard of living and will introduce millions of deaths. Not sure how thats more ethical
I dont see a mechanism for dismantling the class system at the global level. What information do you have in your mind where you can see a path where the entire class system is dismantled? I am imagining 100 human clones in the jungle where one happens to be closer to a large stick, the person picks up the stick. Now you have a class system. The stick bearers and the non stick bearers. Its as intrinsic to human systems as set theory is. You'll never get rid of it. Unless there is a class of nonclasssystem enforcers that can tear down anyone who tries any funny business. How do you prevent abuse? Brain lobotomies? AI nanobots in the bloodstreams?
Theres not enough time and energy for everyone to have an equal chance of testing in every coop with equal playing fields.
How are you going to have a world revolution without massive genocides given how real politics works?
Both require steel, labor and intelligence to say the least.
Also geography itself will create classes of people. Those that populate among the shorelines and those that populate in the landlocked regions.
How will any of it actually work fairly and enforced without having more of the same bs we have in current power structures. (Oligarchs/autocracies with a working class that can threaten revolts occasionally)
How does that prevent anything? You'll still have the exact same issue. Unless you think a google employee would be the same class as a small mom and pop employee just because they both own a share of their workplace.
If you look at it through a lens of a specific theory that may be true. But that theory does not apply nor translate to reality. Everyone already owns captial its called a 401k or investment fund. There is still class. If that was taken 1 step further and everyone owned a part of their workplace there would still be class. Being forced to own your workplace reduces mobility and traps people. Shutting down a coal plant would just cause 1000 layoffs it would financially destroy 1000 people. Its a stupid idea that only children still believe in.
