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exercises that place the arm above the head become difficult if not impossible after some shoulder surgeries. these exercises position the shoulder in a comfortable locked in position. training in this position (eg. pull-ups) serves to strengthen muscles like the lats, which in turn support the shoulder in its resting position. i cant say avoiding surgery is fool proof - there is a markedly higher risk of dislocating, and many exercises (eg. bench press) become impossible with a loose shoulder joint. but personally i dont care, my destroyed shoulder becomes fixed after consistent pull-up training, do not see a need to lose half a year in recovery atm.

when considering the USA stance regarding anti-ai sentiment (eg. article currently on HN front page, "feds think ai critics are foreign interference"), I wonder what the consequences would be for australia, if the country decided to enact an actual reprimand.

while tobacco is indeed more viscerally addictive than vaporized nicotine, i still believe it is wrong to label the act of switching from vapes to cigs as blanket stupidity. a cigarette has a defined start and end point around which the brain may optimize, while vapes have no off switch. from the outside in, it may be difficult to see that this factor may weigh in significantly ... so ill bolster my point by suggesting tobacco is a valid method to control schizophrenia symptoms, i dont believe that high dose nic vapes have the same effect.

People are even vaping on public transit nowadays. Never seen that for smoking.

People used to smoke everywhere. Bars, restaurants, tiny offices without ventilation, cars, busses, aircraft, underground railway, literally everywhere.

When it became common knowledge that second hand smoke is bad restrictions came into place.


You must be young.

They appear to think that cigarettes smell bad, yet their nicotine infusused fruit salad/cotton candy monstrosity is fine.

Smoking on public transit (and literally everywhere else too) was totally normal and common up until the 90s when regulations started to trickle in. When I was in elementary school teachers smoked in the teacher's lounge and would talk about when they used to be able to smoke in the classroom. My grandma would take about smoking while at work, and she worked as a seamstress.

Have you read gwern on nicotine? Particularly, in this case, regarding MAOIs in tobacco, so I suppose the hop through gwern isn't entirely necessary, but it's where I first heard of this, anyway.

https://gwern.net/nicotine#addictiveness


Yeah, so I have smoked for 80% of the last 30 years… usually between 1/2-1 pack/day. I’ve been cutting back by switching to vape, knowing that it only has nicotine and not the MAOI and other substances. Right before Labour Day weekend I ran out and decided to try going the weekend. It’s been 20 days now and I am starting to feel like the effects of the MAOI are starting to wear off. I still have nicotine cravings, but it’s once I firmly feel like the MAOI withdrawal is gone (probably another week or two) I plan to start breaking the habit with patches and maybe gum.

Step by step, I feel like it might actually stick for real this time. Every time I started up again in the past was contextual (eg a break up, out for drinks with friends, have a half drunk smoke and I’m hooked again). No longer have any smoker friends, no longer have significant drama in my life, hoping it’ll work out.


maois are what make tobacco more than just nicotine (in terms of both benefit potential and addiction potential). maios were the first ever anti depressant, cigarettes are therefore a valid anti depressant too. cigs are also correlated with testosterone. maybe there's an ulterior reason they are demonized?

TODO check back in a week whether this was slop or not

intelligence as conveyed through human form is indeed reliant on an emotion based reward network. ai was trained by humans and will always be marked by original sin. so based on what we may access, you are correct that any living response is emotionally predicated to a certain degree. doesnt make art any less cool, or, more applicably, a good argument any less productive (provided agreed rules are followed).

denial of our nature is a valid course of action. another course is to accept such limitations and free up memory to be used otherwise.


regarding the brain, is there a reason your words should be trusted over those of a brain surgeon?

If you are young, this might help you https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-...

If you are old, I have nothing at my disposal. You are on your own.

This is pretty basic. One learns this early on if he has actually built something.

> regarding the brain, is there a reason your words should be trusted over those of a brain surgeon?

You thought I had made a claim about the brain. That's interesting.


i have no idea whether the initial commentor is actually a neurosurgeon. applying good faith, he is a neurosurgeon, he saves lives and is deserving of respect. you're completely correct that an appeal to authority is fallacious in an argumentative context. you're also behaving like a dick to somebody who saves lives. don't care who is right or wrong here, made my comment to suggest that you're behaving disrespectfully. if I was unintentionally doing the same, I would appreciate being informed that the same point could have been made in a more respectful manner. although, if you're also at neurosurgeon calibre, then I am incorrect and this comment is redundant.

The original comment was disrespectful to any freethinker and dismissed the author's work with a "no" providing zero substance. So he deserved the blunt callout and had it coming to him.

I have nothing but respect for people who save lives. Many ordinary people on the street also save lives. If you are a neurosurgeon and save lives as a profession, all the more respect to you. I am not a neurosurgeon, and still have saved some lives and many have saved mine.

Granted good faith, neither the neurosurgeon's arguments, nor mine, nor anyone else's for that matter should be taken on authority. Professional merit does not grant immunity from basic logic.

We can respect an individual and still demand their arguments to conform to the same standard.

And no, you were not disrespectful. You gave your reasons, you attempted to substantiate your arguments. That is genuine and something I deeply appreciate.

Hope this clarifies.


I can't stop you from interpreting questions as arguments requiring substantiation. my intention was to respectfully elicit your viewpoint in a non accusatory fashion, by asking you about it. people prefer being asked over being told; one who justifies commanding lifesavers instead of listening to them could maybe benefit from learning this, as I did. putting morality aside, you have behaved perfectly logically consistent, while making no clear impact upon the person you addressed. was your goal to be logically consistent, or to make an impact?

Calling out the bad faith was the impact. Logic was the weapon. Getting exposed was the result.

Bad character should be called out. The door was left open for him to demonstrate good faith. He did not.

It revealed his character and work ethic. He doesn't want to put in the work. If he really is a neurosurgeon, I wouldn't want him to do surgery on me. He doesn't want to put in the work for his own argument, how can you trust him to put in the work to save your life.

Your framing of neurosurgeons as life savers is rejected. If so, then most ordinary folk are also life savers.

Unless you speak of truck drivers, pilots, grocery shopkeepers and others the same way as life savers, you will get bluntly called out. Virtue signaling does you no good.

I notice you can read things that aren't there. This second time, you saw "commanding" where no commanding existed. It keeps getting interesting.


please keep responding to me calling out all my arguments in the fashions you've been doing so far, I'm really interested in hearing more of your writing style

Gladly. I have all the time in the world :).

so is there is a human being involved in your process, or are you entirely autonomous?

Are you the new model trying to find other autonomous agents in the wild? Are you not trained on enough data?

This human has been waiting for a substantive reply. He is still waiting.


the difference is fairly clear in your comment history - sometimes your voice, sometimes claudes voice. speaking foreign languages is impossibly difficult if a human mind did not grow up around them, i dont judge you for hiding behind claude. but im not interested in talking to him anymore. goodbye

Your comment shift on each response essentially can be distilled as:

"Accept Authority" => "Don't disrespect" => "Where is the impact" => "Snark on writing style" => "Bot accusation" => "Grand claims on language".

Normal human beings don't do this much shifting of goal-posts on every response. We humans tend to stay roughly on topic as anyone can see from my response chains.

Your ability to rapidly change topics is commendable. I shudder at the thought of doing that myself.

I take your accusation about "foreign languages" as a compliment. English is not even my native language, yet you imply they are clean and structured like an LLM. What more praise can one expect.


visit canirun.ai to find a suitable model, download .gguf of a version of that model from huggingface, plug .gguf into ollama

in a better world your vision would be very promising. in our world, ill bet 'different' people are gonna get lumped in with old people, to be placated by robots instead of being allowed community engagement.

Don't blame others. Inaction is the only thing between you and a better world. Go do something about it.

Dismantle car centrism all by yourself?

while I do feel obliged to share my compute with wider humanity, it must be noted that commanding me to perform my obligation does remove what meagre autonomy i could claim from the process. if your goal is to encourage compute sharing, you may wish to reexamine your employment of imperatives. or in other words, telling a dickhead like me to do something is more likely to result in you getting told to fuck off than it is for me to do the action being commanded. but I see your intentions are true so I don't need to do that. thanks and all the best

thick_skin certainly isn't your play is it ;)

yea, you got any world saving plans in the works? im currently working on ones of my own, was carer for an elder family member many years before, didnt have the bandwidth then. nowadays i could lend some time if you have a cool way of fixing things.

Not especially. I'm working on feeding people more efficiently which sounds dystopian but disintermediates the population from some corporations who currently dominate such matters and have not shown themselves to be morally or environmentally responsible. I would make a lot more money if I worked on military drones, financial leeching apparatus or AI bullshit like everyone else, but at this point I would prefer to have less and be better behaved.

what if segfaults only occurred when the errant path was executed in manners not initially designed for? or alternately, if that code path never got touched, would we ever have known about the segfault? should we keep focusing on segfaults or look at the ways that programs are being operated out of scope?

how do you know you're anything more than a set of weights either? that's semi rhetorical, the philosophy aspect would be less relevant if an autonomous death drone shot you in the face purely for the lols

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